Post by caton on Jan 16, 2005 14:24:58 GMT -3
Dear Forum Members,
I've posted recently an article by the British press.
It seems that rape is unfortunately common wherever HM Armed Forces are deployed. See a New York Times report dated 2003.
Please note that nobody in the entire military stablishment did denounce it (Quote: "commanding officers systematically ignored the evidence").
Best - Javier
PD: but of course, Irakis are much better now, because everybody knows british rapists smell better.
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The Rape of Kelpers by Argentinean Soldiers in 82
Dear Forum members
Have you ever asked yourself what would be the British saying had any case of rape / rape attemt been carried out by our men?
I can figure some of them:
“Ah! Fascist!”
“Animals!”
“Brutes!”<br>“Incivilized!”<br>“ANY RIGHT YOU HAD TO THE ISLANDS WAS LOST WITH THE RAPE!”<br>
Nothing of the sort happened.
By the way, I have a tape with the ‘arenga’ (speech?) given by Admiral Busser to our Infantes de Marina on board a Navy transport hours before striking the beach on our Malvinas, recorded in a common tape by one of the men there present. Among many other things and coming to the topic of this posting, Admiral Busser stated pretty clear that for anybody who assaulted or raped any woman he would personnally ask the military tribunal for nothing short of the death pennalty to the culprit.
Now, let`s have a look to the British way. Here is a letter I’ve received from a US citizen whose friendship I met in this forum. I include the FULL LETTER, including his highly appropiated comment.
Best Regards and Enjoy it! - Javier
"Oh dear! This is an outrageous accusation. Those uncivilized women are trying to make a mockery of the Rule of Law. The mere thought of British impropriety is simply preposterous.....LOL"
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Kenyan Women Accuse British Troops of Rape
By Warren Hoge
New York Times
LONDON, July 2, 2003 — A group of 650 Kenyan women who say they were sexually assaulted and in many cases gang raped by British soldiers on military assignment in their country won the right today to sue the Ministry of Defense for compensation.
Martyn Day, the women's lawyer, said the rapes that the women recounted, which were said to have taken place over the last 26 years, appeared to have been premeditated and planned by soldiers taking part in annual exercises in remote parts of the East African country.
"They would specifically ambush the women, they would pounce on them with a clear and coordinated understanding of what they were going to do," he said in an interview. "I was totally amazed and shocked when I first heard about it, and that amazement hasn't reduced, but I am now absolutely convinced it is true."
He said investigators had accumulated a compelling case from reports of the attacks to police and military officials by the victims at the time, adding that the basis of his legal argument would be that commanding officers systematically ignored the evidence.
He said the consequences of the rapes had been "catastrophic" for the women involved and for the many mixed-race children they bore, who have been shunned in their communities.
Amnesty International, which has conducted its own investigation of the Kenyan charges, said it had evidence that British officials had reports of the abuses as far back as 1977. Mr. Day said the most recent case in his action dated from last year.
"The women and children born allegedly as a result of these attacks have been suffering in silence for over 30 years stigmatized, discriminated and outcast within their own community," Irene Kahn, the secretary general of Amnesty International, said at a London news conference today. "They have suffered a double injustice — not only were they sexually abused, but the crimes against them have never been properly acknowledged let alone thoroughly investigated."
The ruling, by the Department for Constitutional Affairs, entitles the women's cases to be financed by the Legal Services Commission, the agency that controls the legal aid budget in Britain, a step that enables Mr. Day to present the case to the High Court in London.
Mr. Day, of the London firm Leigh, Day & Company, had success in a similar case a year ago when he won a $7.5 million settlement for 233 Kenyans maimed by unexploded munitions left behind by the British Army.
In the present case, too, Mr. Day said he hoped there would be an out-of-court settlement, which he estimated could approach $30 million. He said the average rape compensation in Britain was $33,000 but that in aggravated cases like gang rape, the amount could rise to $50,000.
Mr. Day acknowledged that many of them had come forward only after the possibility of a court case and compensatory payments emerged. But he said that most of their accounts were being corroborated and he noted that, in Kenya, women who joined the action had a lot to lose with the admission of having been raped.
I've posted recently an article by the British press.
It seems that rape is unfortunately common wherever HM Armed Forces are deployed. See a New York Times report dated 2003.
Please note that nobody in the entire military stablishment did denounce it (Quote: "commanding officers systematically ignored the evidence").
Best - Javier
PD: but of course, Irakis are much better now, because everybody knows british rapists smell better.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Rape of Kelpers by Argentinean Soldiers in 82
Dear Forum members
Have you ever asked yourself what would be the British saying had any case of rape / rape attemt been carried out by our men?
I can figure some of them:
“Ah! Fascist!”
“Animals!”
“Brutes!”<br>“Incivilized!”<br>“ANY RIGHT YOU HAD TO THE ISLANDS WAS LOST WITH THE RAPE!”<br>
Nothing of the sort happened.
By the way, I have a tape with the ‘arenga’ (speech?) given by Admiral Busser to our Infantes de Marina on board a Navy transport hours before striking the beach on our Malvinas, recorded in a common tape by one of the men there present. Among many other things and coming to the topic of this posting, Admiral Busser stated pretty clear that for anybody who assaulted or raped any woman he would personnally ask the military tribunal for nothing short of the death pennalty to the culprit.
Now, let`s have a look to the British way. Here is a letter I’ve received from a US citizen whose friendship I met in this forum. I include the FULL LETTER, including his highly appropiated comment.
Best Regards and Enjoy it! - Javier
"Oh dear! This is an outrageous accusation. Those uncivilized women are trying to make a mockery of the Rule of Law. The mere thought of British impropriety is simply preposterous.....LOL"
===================================================================================
Kenyan Women Accuse British Troops of Rape
By Warren Hoge
New York Times
LONDON, July 2, 2003 — A group of 650 Kenyan women who say they were sexually assaulted and in many cases gang raped by British soldiers on military assignment in their country won the right today to sue the Ministry of Defense for compensation.
Martyn Day, the women's lawyer, said the rapes that the women recounted, which were said to have taken place over the last 26 years, appeared to have been premeditated and planned by soldiers taking part in annual exercises in remote parts of the East African country.
"They would specifically ambush the women, they would pounce on them with a clear and coordinated understanding of what they were going to do," he said in an interview. "I was totally amazed and shocked when I first heard about it, and that amazement hasn't reduced, but I am now absolutely convinced it is true."
He said investigators had accumulated a compelling case from reports of the attacks to police and military officials by the victims at the time, adding that the basis of his legal argument would be that commanding officers systematically ignored the evidence.
He said the consequences of the rapes had been "catastrophic" for the women involved and for the many mixed-race children they bore, who have been shunned in their communities.
Amnesty International, which has conducted its own investigation of the Kenyan charges, said it had evidence that British officials had reports of the abuses as far back as 1977. Mr. Day said the most recent case in his action dated from last year.
"The women and children born allegedly as a result of these attacks have been suffering in silence for over 30 years stigmatized, discriminated and outcast within their own community," Irene Kahn, the secretary general of Amnesty International, said at a London news conference today. "They have suffered a double injustice — not only were they sexually abused, but the crimes against them have never been properly acknowledged let alone thoroughly investigated."
The ruling, by the Department for Constitutional Affairs, entitles the women's cases to be financed by the Legal Services Commission, the agency that controls the legal aid budget in Britain, a step that enables Mr. Day to present the case to the High Court in London.
Mr. Day, of the London firm Leigh, Day & Company, had success in a similar case a year ago when he won a $7.5 million settlement for 233 Kenyans maimed by unexploded munitions left behind by the British Army.
In the present case, too, Mr. Day said he hoped there would be an out-of-court settlement, which he estimated could approach $30 million. He said the average rape compensation in Britain was $33,000 but that in aggravated cases like gang rape, the amount could rise to $50,000.
Mr. Day acknowledged that many of them had come forward only after the possibility of a court case and compensatory payments emerged. But he said that most of their accounts were being corroborated and he noted that, in Kenya, women who joined the action had a lot to lose with the admission of having been raped.