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Post by libarone on Jun 25, 2004 2:33:07 GMT -3
hello everybody , I was just checking in .Thanks for invite me. Es un honor para mi estar aca.gracias. Saludos a todos . Luis B.
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Post by jessefoxlet on Jun 25, 2004 9:58:40 GMT -3
Jessefoxlet, I do not want Argentina to drop their claim as it would be a false gesture. I would rather they were in my face than creeping up behind me. By the way your conspiracy to sabotage this site is not worthy of the British forces and I say this as a Falkland Islander. Defending freedom is admirable sabotaging free speech is not. As a British European you need to brush up on your geograhy if you think the Falklands are not in the Americas. Regards, Sea Eagle (6th Generation Islander) I may be a relatively young and niaive girl, but I do not understand how you can assume any dropping of the Argentinian claim would be a false gesture. To state such a thing shows you do not trust them. This is supported by your comment about them "creeping up behind you". If that is the case negotiation would be futile, for whatever they agreed/conceeded would be worthless. Your comment on what you think is or is not worthy of the British Forces does not deserve comment, so I will not give one, other than to say I am not a Servicewoman. Your comment on allowing free speech is 100% correct as far as I am concerned. It is, therefore, a pity that the Moderator had excluded some people from this site because they have a counter opinion, even though they seemed to abide by the site rules. (Note, I did not use the word "all") I know exactly where the Falklands are ! I was refering to the poulation not being American, or if you wish to be pedantic I admit I should have been more specific. Does "not of American descent" make you happier ?
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Post by Sakura26 on Jun 25, 2004 12:38:28 GMT -3
Jesse
Quit being a naive girl, and grow up if you are going to participate in politics. Saying Argentine soldiers went to the islands to rape penguins and that Maradona is a drug addict are only insults that are not being tolerated, even if they are your points of view. There are similar things that I think of England that would make you cry, and I'm not telling you.
LEARN to difference freedom of speech of freedom of insult.
I thought that was clear from the beginning. This is not only for you but for the rest of the children having fun here.
Regards Noelia
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Post by jessefoxlet on Jun 25, 2004 16:21:59 GMT -3
Maradona is a drug addict. Fact.
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Post by Gabriel on Jun 25, 2004 17:56:01 GMT -3
Jesse,
Moderating a forum is hard work. Please do not play games with us. I can give you a very long list of "facts" about atrocities your country committed. If I did that for the sole purpose of picking a fight, it would be wrong. Please feel welcome to discuss at will, this is what the forum is for; but be sure that we have a very short fuse when it comes to insults. We will not tolerate malice. You will be banned if you try. If you are interested in "garbage can" forums, I'll be happy to point you in the right direction. End of discussion.
Gabriel
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Post by Pólux on Jun 25, 2004 23:24:28 GMT -3
I know exactly where the Falklands are ! I was refering to the poulation not being American, or if you wish to be pedantic I admit I should have been more specific. Does "not of American descent" make you happier ? But what's the point, since nobody claimed that (which would still be true depending on how far back you want to trace ancestry). Despite the widespread use of 'American' to mean 'US citizen', people born in the Americas normally call themselves Americans, and rightly so. A great deal of US citizens aren't either of American descent, if you take that approach. Only those who descend from aborigines of the Americas. But go a little further back and find that we all probably are of African descent. So, in my opinion, words like American, European, Asian an d so on must be taken to mean the continent of birth, unless the context tells otherwise (place of residence, US citizenship, etc.)
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Post by Sea Eagle on Jun 26, 2004 7:19:54 GMT -3
Dear Jessefoxlet,
I am happy to debate with you whatever your age or gender it has no bearing on anything from my point of view.
Polux has expressed the meaning of the term 'American' admirably so no need for me to do it again.
With regard to British Armed Forces, you are likely to have some connection somewhere just as I do, one way or another. The point I was making was that war, being an extension of politics, to coin a phrase, should be reflected in our political attitudes when war has ended. No need for the military, in the form of serving personnel or veterans to continue the combat verbally by insulting the other side. It achieves nothing and breaks the rules of this Forum. That does not negate the fact that I am extremely proud of our armed forces and their achievements. Nevertheless I believe it is quite right to exclude people from whatever side whose apparent purpose is simply to mindlessly insult and denigrate the other side or take the piss by posting stupid remarks because their presence and such behaviour defeats the objectives of the Forum which in my opinion is a debating area for people who have sincere but opposing points of view to put to each other in the hope, if not expectation, of finding common ground.
You are quite right about my view of what would happen if Argentina suddenly dropped its claim, I would be very suspicious, I would not be confident that an opposing faction, having gained power would not introduce it again. So no I would not trust it not to be reintroduced which is different to not trusting some factions as opposed to others.
I think there should be sincere negotiations on practical issues, such as normalisation of relations with the Falklands, fishing, exploitation etc. simply because we are there in the South West Atlantic. But there can never be negotiations on sovereignty from my point of view for several reasons.
1. For all practical puposes Argentina never established itself in or controlled the Falklands in such a manner as to be rthe accepted sovereign power by the international community and
2. The matter was settled anyway in 1982.
3. The Falklands is entitled to Self determination as are all other British held territories a process which began in the 19th Century. (It has not been introdced recently as some of our Argentine friends seem to think.)
4. The UN Charter and Subsequent resolutions also give them this right.
The C24, by the way, has never called upon GB to hand over sovereignty to Argentina, simply to negotiate a settlement to the dispute with them, as far as I know they have never indicated what they think the outcome should be. All the above items I have outlined would lead to a settlement of the dispute, even though they would not be to the liking of Argentina. It would however be to their advantage to get this burden they have imposed on themselves off their backs and move forward in the world.
I hope I have explained myself a little better.
Best wishes,
Sea Eagle
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Post by jessefoxlet on Jun 26, 2004 11:50:33 GMT -3
It was not me that first said that Maradona was a drug addict. When, however, you refuted the statement, I felt it was another example of your inability to see the real world. The man is undoubtedly a drug addict. Accept the fact. It could be the start of you accepting some other, albeit unpalatable, facts
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Post by jessefoxlet on Jun 26, 2004 11:53:33 GMT -3
So, in my opinion, words like American, European, Asian an d so on must be taken to mean the continent of birth, unless the context tells otherwise (place of residence, US citizenship, etc.) And does that opinion strengthen your claim over the Falklands ?
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Post by Pólux on Jun 26, 2004 14:00:01 GMT -3
And does that opinion strengthen your claim over the Falklands ? Which claim of mine over the Falklands are you talking about? And what in the world has that opinion to do with any territorial claim?
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Post by Pólux on Jun 26, 2004 14:10:58 GMT -3
It was not me that first said that Maradona was a drug addict. When, however, you refuted the statement, I felt it was another example of your inability to see the real world. The man is undoubtedly a drug addict. Accept the fact. It could be the start of you accepting some other, albeit unpalatable, facts I don't know whom you're replying to, but honestly I didn't see any "refutation" to the fact that Maradona is a drug addict. Since you claim somebody denied that, please provide the evidence. Otto and Sea Eagle have already explained that that original comment was against the goals of mutual understanding, as it was unnecessary, irrelevant, and unconstructive (sp?).
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Post by jessefoxlet on Jun 27, 2004 15:03:08 GMT -3
. Saying Argentine .................. that Maradona is a drug addict are only insults that are not being tolerated, even if they are your points of view. insult. Noelia Read the posts, will you, before pontificating.
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Post by Evil Kondor on Jun 27, 2004 16:42:46 GMT -3
Hi Jesse:
You stated that Maradona is a drug addict. Your Point? What does it have to do with this forum? We know that! Maradona used to be a very good football player whose health is failing badly. He is not going to be around much longer. In addition he is intellectually challenged. He is not a good football player anymore and he has no influence whatsoever in Argentine foreign policy or any kind of policy.
We know why you brought this up. I can also say that Paul Gascogne is a fall-down drunk and David Beckham is an arrogant jerk. And?
We welcome new members, but we need more intelligent post than that. I realize that the Falklands is a specialized area of knowledge. In fact, I spent my whole weekend working in the “Reference Library” to help the new members (Many of us spent years participating in another forum.) If I can do that, you can certainly make an effort to make more meaningful contributions, if you are really interested in the Malvinas-Falklands dispute.
Best regards,
Hektor
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Post by Sakura26 on Jun 27, 2004 17:35:43 GMT -3
Dear All
You are all falling for the game Jessefoxlet is setting here. The fact that Maradona is a drug addict or not, is not the important thing here.
The important thing is that she said that with malice, to pick on us and start a fight out of nothing.
This kind of behaviour is what separate people instead of solve things.
Here are two ways of saying something about someone:
1- Maradona is a drug addict. That's a fact. I'll call him because I'm running out of cocaine.
2- Maradona is a drug addict. It's sad that some people get in drugs. Maybe someday he can get well again.
Even if you wish him to die, one is a polite way to say things and the other one is meant to start a fight.
So lady, if you want to continue here, watch your words and quit picking on us. I'm starting to get sick of your behaviour.
This is my last warning and last explanation of my actions. Since you are playing here I'm gonna play with you as well.
Sakura
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Post by dantec on Jun 27, 2004 23:40:51 GMT -3
Hi guys,
I agree with the moderators, free speech should be upheld, but un a professional manner. Insults are not professional, and should be dealt with. There are plenty of other chat sites people with hate and vengance they can get involved with.
Regards Daniel
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