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Post by Sakura26 on Jun 24, 2004 20:58:41 GMT -3
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Post by JollyRoger on Jun 25, 2004 3:16:09 GMT -3
Why must we fight?? I thought this website was for discussion and infomation?
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Post by Sakura26 on Jun 25, 2004 12:32:54 GMT -3
Yes Roger. The invitation to the arena is not for those who actually have a brain. It's for those cavemen who, like apes, only know how to show supremacy by using force and insults.
For human beings, the forum is open.
Regards Noelia
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Post by WCWSWC on Jun 25, 2004 14:52:16 GMT -3
show supremacy by using force You mean like the task force did.. ?? WCWSWC
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Post by Sakura26 on Jun 26, 2004 16:47:29 GMT -3
Yes, and not only your task force, I could name thousands of forces that are turning the world upside down. Violence is the language of the retard. He who has the arguments to support his ideas, doesnt need a war. You go to war when you have no way to defend your ideas and therefore have to shut up your enemy.
And before you say that we started the war in 1982, yes that's true. The military junta here, spoke with violence because they could not support their political ideas. So did Thatcher. And so is doing Bush and those involved in the palestinean conflict.
This world is going nowhere this way....
Sakura
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Post by WCWSWC on Jun 26, 2004 16:53:59 GMT -3
Yes, and not only your task force, I could name thousands of forces that are turning the world upside down. Violence is the language of the retard. He who has the arguments to support his ideas, doesnt need a war. You go to war when you have no way to defend your ideas and therefore have to shut up your enemy. And before you say that we started the war in 1982, yes that's true. The military junta here, spoke with violence because they could not support their political ideas. So did Thatcher. And so is doing Bush and those involved in the palestinean conflict. This world is going nowhere this way.... Sakura Thatcher sent a task force to remove invaders from British territory....your junta tried to get his people.(.ie your parents because you where only about 4 at the time.) To think about other things ...other than the state of his coutry and how/where it was going. I think at the time you had very high inflasion amongst others which your people didnt like...understandable enough. Like it or not your general Galltieri...caused all of this....and as said Thatcher decided you send your army packing. What would your government have done in the same situation.. You seem Sakura to have tunnel vision on this situation...whether you realise it or not, you may be an educated young lady...probably are.....but you really have no CDF when it comes to trying to put your point across.... WCWSWC
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Post by Sakura26 on Jun 26, 2004 17:01:15 GMT -3
You're wrong. I do know it was our fault. THE WAR was our fault, not the claim. You wont find any posting of mine saying I supported that war. That war or ANY war, I hate violence at all. And sending people to war, it's the most coward thing a politician (democratic or de facto) could do. If I had the power to apologise for what happened in 1982, I'd do it. But my apologies are not going to bring the soldiers back to life. I hope that, in the future, we have the power to stop crazy politicians about going to war. Kirchner was doing pretty well with the Irak thing, but now he's sending troops to Haiti. About Thatcher, you're partially right. It wasnt her fault ,she had to defend the territories of her country. But you can't deny that her government was weak and not popular and, the same way that losing the war for us, kicked the military junta off power, winning the war gave Thatcher a second chance. One way or the other, it's always about politics, while our families are the ones risking their lives.
Sakura
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Post by WCWSWC on Jun 26, 2004 17:04:01 GMT -3
But you can't deny that her government was weak and not popular and, the same way that losing the war for us, kicked the military junta off power, winning the war gave Thatcher a second chance
Yes your dead right with this one......
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Post by Lysander on Jun 26, 2004 17:14:52 GMT -3
Your last post was totally right Sakura. Galtieri tried to deflect your countries attention away from the parlous economic situation and to popularise himself. Thatcher had no real alternative but to act to retake the islands.
Today any British government would commit political suicide by negotiating sovereignty of the islands, at the same time any Argentinian government would commit the same political suicide by dropping any claim to ownership of the Falklands.
So what can be done? Perhaps a strengthening of economic co-operation, joint development of natural resources and an improvement in transport links would be a start.
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Post by Sakura26 on Jun 26, 2004 17:19:31 GMT -3
Hello Lysander
Welcome to the Forum! ;D
That's exactly what we were trying to do here, it seems we're stuck in this dilemma and we're trying to find a solution by talking alltogheter, instead of cold politics chats. But, our good intentions had been attacked somehow by a group of troublemakers who really need to get rid of their anger by insulting and fighting.
WCWSWC used to be one of them. Now he seems to be using his adult side, and we're exchanging opinions friendly.
Welcome again to the forum!
Sakura
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Post by Evil Kondor on Jun 26, 2004 17:27:16 GMT -3
WCWSWC:
You are right and incorrect in your assessment of the reasons behind the Argentine invasion, in 1982. Let me state the reasons.
In 1982, there were very serious problems in South-West Atlantic that involved Great Britain, Chile and Argentina. Chile had troop movements in their Patagonia and Pinochet and Thatcher were great allies and working in cahoots. This whole thing started with the near war between Argentina and Chile, in 1978 (But let me keep the story brief – there is a lot here that also involved Great Britain.)
The negotiations between Argentina and Great Britain had broken down. With the deteriorating situation, the “Rosario Plan” was instituted, by the Argentine previous government, to invade the Falklands in October-November 1982. However, the hope was that the situation would resolve itself through diplomacy.
Galtieri, who was just appointed President, brought the Rosario Plan forward to April because primarily of internal political reasons. This caught Argentina unprepared for the war with its conscription of soldiers off-cycle. In addition, Argentina’s best troops and its mountain (cold weather) divisions were left facing Chile together with ½ of its Air Force.
Argentina had only 5 Super Entedard (SUI) planes and 5 Exocet missiles. In October, Argentina would have had 14 SUIs and ~ 50 Exocet missiles and additional 4 Electro-Diesel submarines.
Yes, you are right about the April date; no, you are not about the October date.
I do realize that the Malvinas-Falklands dispute is a very specialized area of knowledge that most people are not aware, beside the propaganda or shallow analysis on both sides of the ocean. This is something that we are aware and we are beginning to address in order to bring our new members (many of us participated on another forum for years) up to speed. Unfortunately, it will take a bit of time. Keep in mind that this site was launched only a week ago. Furthermore, I just do not want to give my side of the story, but include, in this board, both sides of the dispute.
Best regards,
Evil Kondor
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Post by JollyRoger on Jun 29, 2004 9:55:46 GMT -3
Yes Roger. The invitation to the arena is not for those who actually have a brain. It's for those cavemen who, like apes, only know how to show supremacy by using force and insults. For human beings, the forum is open. Regards Noelia Noelia, I am quite upset by your response. It is not nice to openly attack anybody on the forum. We all have brains, and we all have our opinions, AND we are all human beings!
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Post by Pólux on Jun 29, 2004 13:05:56 GMT -3
I am quite upset by your response. It is not nice to openly attack anybody on the forum. We all have brains, and we all have our opinions, AND we are all human beings! I highly disagree with the opening of an "official fighting arena" in the first place. Although it's true that there are people who aren't the least concerned in being constructive and resort to trolling around, they have to be dealt with accordingly.
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Post by Sakura26 on Jun 30, 2004 0:47:00 GMT -3
Jolly Roger
You saw the bunch of people that came here to insult everybody. Some people just cannot discuss like human beings. For them, I offered that fighting arena, the message was not addressed to you, so please dont be upset.
Polux
If I Just kick them out of the forum I am accused of impartiality which is exactly what I'm trying to avoid in this forum. We cannot have it all unfortunately. Let those who want to fight, do it alone somewhere else, so we can exchange our points of view in a friendly way here.
Sakura
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Post by Hombreingles on Aug 22, 2004 11:42:58 GMT -3
Lets have a pie fight, or an egg fight, it would be a little messy but it would be fun for all. The problem in the Malvinas/Falklands was once described as '2 bald men fighting over a comb'
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