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Post by Maquilishuat on May 20, 2005 9:02:23 GMT -3
Hello John:
I will be waiting for yours impressions of July 13th, wherever I am in this world.
Talking about labels, the mainstream media is focusing on the Amazon deforestation, as if Brazilians are doing anything different from Europe or North America with their own forests. My proposal, if someone wants to keep forests alive, is to pay Brazil, say, 200 billion USD per year, in order to keep them untouched. What do you say? Fair? After all deforestatin is big business now, as it was in the past.
With this amount of money we could start talking.
Saludos amigos, Otto
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Post by Gabriel on May 20, 2005 11:36:14 GMT -3
Hola Otto,
I second that. After all, most developed countries are subsidizing their own farming industries.
Saludos,
Gabriel
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Post by Johnmcd on May 20, 2005 17:01:57 GMT -3
Hi Otto, Gabriel, This is definitely a global education thing.
Here in the UK (for your info) the various forestry commissions have been re-planting woodlands for at least 30 years. Cut one down plant two in place. In Scotland serious attempts are being made to return large tracts of highlands back to the state it was some 3000 years ago - totally forested.
Money as an incentive? $200 billion who would receive this money? How would it be used? No, I don’t think throwing money at the problem will ever stop the accelerated deforestation rates in the Amazon. Brazil is already the world's biggest exporter of beef and recently overtook the United States as the No. 1 exporter of soybeans in terms of volume. So, US Dollars are not going to be given to an economic and political competitor simply to curtail the ‘Slash and Burn’ of the Amazon Rain Forrest.
From my scant knowledge the ‘slash and burn’ clearing that goes on is actively backed by corrupt land owners with the help of politicians in order to extend the agricultural frontier. Let’s face it, the population of Brazil is growing fast and millions of impoverished settlers need land just to subsist. This is not just about cattle ranching or growing soybeans. It’s big money for the few greedy buggers who don’t give a toss for their own country or the people who live in it.
Money is not the cure.
Best wishes, John.
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Post by Maquilishuat on May 20, 2005 17:33:30 GMT -3
Hello Gabriel:
Yes, do as I say, not what I do, someone already said. Brazil and most of the agricultural countries are facing unfair competition from governments who subsidize their farm products, while they want us to open our markets. Very smart from their side, no?
BTW, do you know that next year we are going to have our passports with Mercosul written? It is suppose to come on January, and was already approved by the Brazilian government.
Hello John:
Yes, we have a lot to do with these 200 billion USD yearly. Most of it to improve our infrastructure (highways, railroads, communications, schools, healthcare, you name it. This money will not be an incentive, just a compensation for not touching the rainforest and keeping all the monkeys, birds, pink dolphins, jacarés, antas, capivaras, hundreds of types of fish, plants, epadu (oops) alive for the world to enjoy.
Sometimes I think that the dream of the first world is to reduce the planet population by ten times and keep some local people to take care of the zoo.
Meanwhile, we are extracting this money from the forests and we will keep doing it, as Europe and America has done in the past. After all, why stop the capitalism?
Saludos, Maquilishuat
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Post by Johnmcd on May 20, 2005 22:31:41 GMT -3
Otto, Briefly, Shouldn’t you be requesting the Peoples Republic of China for money, perhaps 800 billion Yuan? (Brazil seems more closely associated with the not too democratically disposed autocracy of China - than the US)
Get them to improve your infrastructure and save the Amazon.
In the mean time I hope your fabled Piranhas bite the balls off your corrupted idiots that pose to be politicians. They are real keepers the zoo!
Btw…<br>Heard of the Scottish Haggis? The obnoxious three legged little monster with an nasty attitude problem? Oh, if any foul animal need be extinguished from this blessed planet - it is this nasty, nasty little bugger!! The only redeeming factor of the horrible Haggis is they hate the English more that the Scots. Oh, they are so nasty and horrible, much worse than the limp, tame and cuddly animal inhabitants of the Amazon.
Beware!
Best wishes, John.
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Post by Maquilishuat on May 21, 2005 9:33:34 GMT -3
Hello John:
Well, we may also ask for the chinese to give us a help.
You wrote: Brazil seems more closely associated with the not too democratically disposed autocracy of China - than the US)
Indeed! I also observe US and UK close ties with Pakistan which, we may say, is not a good example of democracy, no? If you travel these days to the US you will see where all items in Wal-Mart come from.
Have you heard of the BRIC? (Brasil, Russia, India, China). Is this "association" that you are referring to?
Another thing, do you know what is Epadu? A hint, it grows everywhere without any human help, is green and some people love to smoke it.
Saludos amigos, Maquilishuat
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Post by Maquilishuat on May 23, 2005 16:37:36 GMT -3
Hello John:
You wrote:
"In the mean time I hope your fabled Piranhas bite the balls off your corrupted idiots that pose to be politicians. They are real keepers the zoo!"
Yes, we have all type of politicians but, unlike yours, their hands have no innocent blood.
Saludos, Maquilishuat
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Post by catonII on May 23, 2005 17:10:33 GMT -3
“Cual víctima expiatoria A su cadena la amarró el pirata De aventurera historia PARA OLVIDAR LA TEMPESTAD DE GLORIA QUE A SUS MILANOS DESBANDÓ EN EL PLATA.”<br>(Martín coronado, 1879)
2007
John,
The landscape looks very different from this side of the hill.
We will remember 2007 for the bicentennial of your defeat at the streets of Buenos Aires, the bicentennial of “the tempest of Glory that disbanded [English] milanos”. Your pretentions? Well, your man in charge was granted by HM the title of “Governor of South America” and his second in command, “Governor of Chile”. By a happy chance, I found no mention to that either in the Imperial War or the Naval museums of London and Greenwhich...
The army you sent (veterans of the Napoleonic wars) was the equivalenmt to 20 percent of the population of Buenos Aires, that would mean an army of 2 400 000 men today. They surrendered unconditionnally... World history would have been other had this continent fall in your greedy hands.
Previously, in 2006, we will celebrate the bicentennary of the reconquest of Buenos Aires, after a surprise attack by HMG.
So, the 25th aniversary of the Malvinas ‘Gesta’ will be definetely seen at the light of a long series of aggressions by HMG and a stolid resourfullness on our side not to yield to your overwhelming force, whatever the price, whatever the time It is an epic, and as such we undestand it. (1)
I am definetely not surprised by your comment that thank you we have democracy. After all, you (and HMG) pretend to believe the Iraki people loves you, your bombs and your depleted uranium because now they are “enjoyng freedom”
Best
PS: you now long for good old Guido. I told you at the proper time that there would never be a softer approach than that, that it was a terrible opportunity for HMG to make a hand over in very favourable terms. That opportunity is now as dead as Guido himself.
PS II: I couldn't access to the forum, so I asked a new mwmbership and here am I, as Catón II.
(1) Of course those were not the only aggressions by HMG, there were also the blockades, Vuelta de Obligado, Quebracho, Diamante, Martín García, Malvinas, etc.
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Post by Johnmcd on May 25, 2005 2:46:45 GMT -3
Javier,
“The landscape looks very different from this side of the hill”<br> Yes, but only from the likes of you my friend - your view has nothing to do with the prevailing dispute other than to give you a platform to expose your thoughts on history.
I can do the same. Argentina fought a civil war in the 1970’s through to the early 80’s. Your government, the Junta/Sunnis, murdered 30,000 of your own citizens/Shias Your aggression also almost caused a major S American war with Chile over the Beagle Channel. What was ARA Belgrano doing in January 1982?
When you eventually send an ambassador to Iraq then you can talk over with them US and British aggression and how they are enjoying their freedom. Perhaps, they can even buy some advice from George Galloway.
Anymore speeches?
Best wishes, John.
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