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Post by Maquilishuat on Jun 23, 2004 20:28:03 GMT -3
Hello all:
I always find it unfair to blame any country, especially third world countries, to be responsible for their own poverty. It like blaming the ones that were robbed by being without their money.
In Brasil, and in most of Latin American countries, democracy submerged by a clear influence from the first world countries. Then huge loans were made where the population had not any influence, they came disguised as “help”. The floating interests that followed made these countries even poorer and when democracy was reestablished the debt was astronomic. Now most of third world countries are paying what their people did not approve, and the great insult comes in the form of “you do not pay your taxes properly”. Or, “you are responsible for your politicians”.
Now we have to hear many times that Argentina has first to solve its problems, then pursue any claim, as debt and right could be mixed.
Unfair, no?
Saludos, Maquilishuat
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Post by Sakura26 on Jun 23, 2004 20:44:00 GMT -3
Hello Otto
Not only unfair but, a completely senseless idea. If only the richest countries in the world have the rights to own territories, we're soon become their property. That's crazy, where is the democracy and freedom they are "defending" ? The inner problems of Argentina are very seriuos and have to be solved inmediately. But one big problem does not replace another. The Falklands issue is an unfinished bussiness we have with the UK and has to be solved too. What we're going to do with our territories, it's up to us, and no one has the right to ask us about it. I think, if we ever get the islands back, they would become another province, that's all. I'm very tired of those who say we should drop the claim because Argentina is in default. So what? they want Cordoba as well? or San Juan? I dont see the connection between a territory claim and solving inner problems of a country.
Regards Noelia
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Post by Timbershifter on Jun 24, 2004 3:28:14 GMT -3
The Falklands issue is an unfinished bussiness we have with the UK and has to be solved too. What we're going to do with our territories, it's up to us, and no one has the right to ask us about it. I think, if we ever get the islands back, they would become another province, that's all. Noelia Excuse my ignorance, but wasn't the bussiness over with in 1982? Being in the US I try to keep abreast of the events around the world, but I was under the assumption that the Falklands were a UK territory. I really see no way, either financialy or by force that the Argentinians could ever hope to take over the islands. Notice I say "Take over the Islands" I fail to see what legitimate claim Argentinia has over the Islands, it would be like the US deciding they owned the whole of the West Indies. So please, enlighten me as to why the Falklands should be in the hands of Argentinia?
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Post by Sakura26 on Jun 24, 2004 6:14:08 GMT -3
Hello Timbershifter First of all, welcome to our forum. It's good to have people from all over the world. The United States and the United Kingdom are close friends, allies and it seems they share the same points of view about politics. It's natural that being american, you think the islands belong to the UK. In Latinamerica, except for Chile and perhaps other nations, we believe that, this territory belongs to Argentina. You'll have thousands of geographical, ethnical and political proofs with time (that's my friend Javier's territory...). Obviously, things are not as easy as giving or taking the islands. There are people living there and their future is also important. Best wishes Noelia
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Post by Gabriel on Jun 24, 2004 10:24:45 GMT -3
Hola Noelia,
You wrote "It's natural that being american, you think the islands belong to the UK." Actually, this is an oximoron. A true American would think American territories belong to the Americans. I understand where he is coming from, but we (the other Americans) should not misuse the term. You are American too.
Un abrazo,
Gabriel
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Post by Sea Eagle on Jun 24, 2004 11:08:10 GMT -3
Gabriel, Of course Falkland Islanders are Americans too. If there is a contention that they are not then the only acceptable Americans would be indigenous people surely? So I guess there are Falkland Americans Argentine Americans and also North Americans ;D. In the UK only North Americans i.e. Citizens of the USA are referred to as Americans. All others are referred to by the name of their country e.g. Argentines , Chileans etc. But I expect you know that. Best wishes, Ernie
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Post by ROMFT on Jun 24, 2004 11:43:31 GMT -3
There are no 'Falkland Americans'. There are no natural human residents on the islands. All the residents (past & present) have emigrated there. The current residents are British, by birth & by choice.
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Post by FOYABASSA on Jun 24, 2004 11:59:15 GMT -3
There are no 'Falkland Americans'. There are no natural human residents on the islands. All the residents (past & present) have emigrated there. The current residents are British, by birth & by choice. Dear ROMFT, Think I have seen you on another site somewhere. Are you friends with The Joss or Crusher who sailed on The Blue Funnel Line?? Falkland Americans? Is this another Hollywood attempt to change history?
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Post by jessefoxlet on Jun 24, 2004 12:00:35 GMT -3
Falkland Americans ??
I never heard such tripe !
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Post by ROMFT on Jun 24, 2004 12:03:28 GMT -3
Dear ROMFT, Think I have seen you on another site somewhere. Are you friends with The Joss or Crusher who sailed on The Blue Funnel Line?? Falkland Americans? Is this another Hollywood attempt to change history? Dear Foyabassa I believe I have a passing acquaintance with The Joss, However you may have me confused with another. it is such a drag .. on & on being confused with another !!
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Post by jessefoxlet on Jun 24, 2004 12:16:33 GMT -3
Dear Foyabassa I believe I have a passing acquaintance with The Joss, However you may have me confused with another. it is such a drag .. on & on being confused with another !! I do understand, oh scaley skinned one !
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Post by Pólux on Jun 25, 2004 23:55:47 GMT -3
There are no 'Falkland Americans'. There are no natural human residents on the islands. All the residents (past & present) have emigrated there. The current residents are British, by birth & by choice. Huh? So nobody was born in the islands? Either you're too misinformed, or I fail to see the joke.
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Post by WCWSWC on Jun 26, 2004 8:05:15 GMT -3
Huh? So nobody was born in the islands? Either you're too misinformed, or I fail to see the joke. Yes people have been born on the Islands but surely they are of British decent, with there parents all being from Britain. What he was trying to say was that the Islands where uninhabited before the brits emigrated there. I think..... If anything they would have dual nationality British and Falkland Islander. Note I didnt say Argentine, due to the Islands being British. WCWSWC
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Post by Sea Eagle on Jun 26, 2004 8:33:58 GMT -3
WCWSWC,
Of course I agree that the Falklands are British. My ancestors arrived there from GB about 1850. But not all are of British descent, family records and my own knowledge tell me that they are also of German, Norwegian, American, Swedish Danish, French descent etc etc.
As a kid my immediate neighbours were of Swedish, Norwegian and Baltic origin. There are even some people of Chilean and Argentine descent.
They are all British now of course.
Happy to teach you some Falklkands history,
Sea Eagle
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Post by WCWSWC on Jun 26, 2004 8:39:17 GMT -3
WCWSWC, Of course I agree that the Falklands are British. My ancestors arrived there from GB about 1850. But not all are of British descent, family records and my own knowledge tell me that they are also of German, Norwegian, American, Swedish Danish, French descent etc etc. As a kid my immediate neighbours were of Swedish, Norwegian and Baltic origin. There are even some people of Chilean and Argentine descent. They are all British now of course. Happy to teach you some Falklkands history, Sea Eagle Thanks you for the lesson...ime always open to learning new things.....especially history. You say American.....and looking through another thread on here about americans...are you talking americans as in "yanks" or south americans as in Aregentinians......just curious. WCWSWC
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