We ‘dare’!

[caton]

John,

Your quote: "They like me, do not run the country though - we leave that to the civilians WHO WE VOTE for."

I forgot to ask you when was the last time there were elections for the position of King/Queen and for the House of Lords.

Can anybody (including children of emigrants) run for those positions?


Best - J

[Hutch]

Oh Javier, you do make me laugh.

I think Johns got a point in that you rather admire the UK, but because of the FI issue this has turned to hate. A shame.

Theres no point responding to most of what you type. Not because i am afraid to 'dare' to do so but because it would be like talking to a brick wall. You have made up your mind so fiercely that nothing will alter your mind so there is no point. The board would just degenerate into a slanging match fueled by righteous indignation-pointless also, when it should be for debate.

Your cut and paste approach to history, which you embellish with a few choice quotes, is so funny that instead of being outraged im amused. Your seeming inability to apply context, circumstance or enviroment to history renders your arguments absurd.

You list actions like WW1 and WW2 as if the UK fighting in them was a bad thing-as if fighting to preserve the independence of smaller nations you have an agreement with is wrong. And other times you're just wrong-you list Vietnam for example which we refused to fight in.
India 1945-1947? What? We were in India for over 100 years, didnt fight our way out but granted independence and helped set up the largest democracy (1 billion+) in the World.

As for Argentinas early history, yes i dont know it that well and dont claim to. I looked on the web and found that guy mentioned as the first President of the Argentine Republic. If he wasnt, then he wasnt, fair enough. But i thought that Argentina issued a declaration of independence in 1816? So if that is true-if its not please inform me- then how can events from 1806/7 be claimed as 'Argentine'? Javier-tell me clearly when Argentina became an independent nation called Argentina please.

You castigate the UK for forming alliances with USSR then say that when Argentina does it its a sign of independence. To defeat the Nazis we would have become friends with the devil himself.

At the wartime conferences the globe was split into areas of influence, yes. As it was in the throws of a massive war which had shattered many of the nations it was a good way to ensure that each zone would have a Great Power trying to make sure it didnt dissolve into anarchy, as well as provide future allies and hopefully stop the winning nations fighting over who had influence over them.

"Hutch, IT IS US who had asked for negociations since your usurpation and ethnic cleansing of 1833. IT IS HMG who refuses: you are “not ready”. That lead to the 1982 battle. You keep refusing any negociation: LIVES CAN BE SAVED BY TALK. SIT DOWN AND NEGOCIATE!"

I thought only military figures were removed from the FI in 1833? After the colony had fallen into murder and looting of course and was a total failure. Were all the civilians removed? If so please inform me.

Look at Clause 3 of your constitution Javier. Its the new clause. It essentially means that Argentina can not negotiate as the only result that would be legally acceptable to Argentina is full control. Therefore there is no point negotiating with Argentina as they have no room for negotiation or compromise at all.

Well Javier, you can go on throwing names around and contine to look like a rabid nationalist. I've got no problem with that as i think it just undermines your personal position and makes you look like the kind of Argentine FIs would cross the road to avoid.

But i will say this-i have never said that the UK has clean hands. We as a nation have done some truely terrible things. But we have also done much good. For every Mau Mau suppression there was the use of the Royal navy to ban slavery. For every Boer War there is the defence of Poland. For every smashing of one town there has been the liberation of another and so . History is not neat and tidy, nor does it follow constant rules, and attempts to judge the (far) past by todays fleeting standards are doomed.

So continue with your cut-n-paste, sound bite history lessons seemingly purposely designed to inflame opinion. They are very funny and a complete waste of time as they help no on with anything nor do they educate or explain.

No one answered the core of your first message? What was it? That Argentina is a 'daring' nation? Not much to answer there is there but i tried a little.

Who are the real Nazis? If you look at your history books you will see and you will also see that they were defeated by....Britain among others. And on our own for a good part of the war)

You take care of yourself now.

Hutch

[Johnmcd]

Javier,
“I forgot to ask you when was the last time there were elections for the position of King/Queen and for the House of Lords. Can anybody (including children of emigrants) run for those positions?”<br>
To be Queen – well we’ve got loads of ‘Queens’! The one in Buckingham palace though is more German than British – not that this matters.

As you might be aware the present government is getting rid of the ‘hereditary peers’ who sit in the House of Lords. The idea is eventually change this debating chamber in to a wholly elected upper chamber, with those elected done so on merit and service to the country, and to have some real decision making power.

Actually, anyone can be become a Lord or a Baroness today, even you! If you look through the lists of members to the Lords you’ll find: (immigrants and children of immigrants)

Lord Alli Waheed.
Baroness Val Amos
Lord Kumar Bagin
Lord Alibhai Bathia
Lord Suohantha Battacharyya
Lord Navnil Dholakia
Baroness Frances D’Souza

This list goes on and on.

You love us really Javier!

Best wishes,
John.